The Secret Solved?

After I posted about Byron Preiss’s The Secret (A Treasure Hunt), there has been much discussion about where exactly the NYC treasure might be buried. Just the other day, I received an email from a reader who thinks he knows where the treasure is buried. As a reminder, here is the verse and image associated with the NYC treasure:

In the shadow

Of the grey giant

Find the arm that

Extends over the slender path

In summer

You’ll often hear a whirring sound

Cars abound

Although the sign

Nearby

Speaks of Indies native

The natives still speak

Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.

Take twice as many east steps as the hour

Or more

From the middle of one branch

Of the v

Look down

And see simple roots

In rhapsodic man’s soil

Or gaze north

Toward the isle of B.

 

And here is where the reader thinks the treasure is buried. If you look from “simple roots,” this is what you would see:

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This is Battery Park. It is in the shadow of the grey giant, the World Trade Center, which was still standing in Preiss’s time. The Immigrants statue has an arm that points down a path that was once slender. There are many cars whirring in the Battery Park Underpass underneath the park. Nearby is the Alexander Hamilton US Custom House. Hamilton of course was from the Indies. The middle of one branch of the V would be the WWII Memorial. If you take twice as many east steps as the hour (22 steps) or more, you end up by a tree. North of you is the Isle of B, the Battery, which was once an island. From this place you can see many images in the picture: Lady Liberty, Ellis Island, the bird, water, and so on.

The powers that be won’t allow anyone to dig, not legally anyways. Regardless, what do you think? Is this where the treasure was buried?

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  1. I received an email from a guy named George today. Here’s his theory:

    My theory of The Secret, image 12/verse 10…
    Immigration,Ellis Island, Lady Liberty. America is a colorblind country. Dots are the Ishihara Colorblind Test.
    Eagle/seagull…more later.
    Red rectangle is dock on Ellis Island.
    Spires are the domes on the main Ellis Island Building.
    Arched shape is the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge towers…
    -In the shadow of the grey giant…
    The grey giant is the Verrazzano Bridge.
    -Find the arm that extends over the slender path…
    The arm is the Verrazzano Bridge deck and the slender path is The Narrows. There are large seagull colonies here.
    -In summer you’ll often hear a whirling sound cars abound…
    Roadway of bridge is actually 12 feet lower in summer due to thermal expansion and the traffic causes a whirling sound below.
    Below is Fort Hamilton, who’s seal has an eagle with the Verrazzano Bridge in the background.
    -Although the sign nearby speaks of indies native…
    The sign nearby is the sign at Fort Hamilton Triangle Park, several blocks away. The monument there has an eagle on top.
    Hamilton was a British West Indies Native.
    -The natives still speak of him of hard word in 3 vols…
    The natives are Native New Yorkers.
    Hard word…more later.
    3 vols…more later.
    -Take twice as many east steps as the hour or more…
    The images clock shows 11 o’clock, so I walk exactly 22 WEST steps with my 6 foot frame from the tip of Fort Hamilton Triangle.
    West, because I believe images 1 and 12 are sister/mirror images (east coast-west coast, VZ Bridge-GG Bridge, NYC-SF, immigration). Keep in mind that in the Chicago and Cleveland finds, the ‘out of order hypothesis’ and the ‘reverse/backwards hypothesis’ were used in the find
    -From the middle branch of the V look down and see simple roots in rhapsodic mans soil…
    Branch…more later.
    Upon walking my 22 steps, I’m standing in front of a 4 foot tall iron V. The V is a support to a gate. The gate surrounds the Fort Hamilton Library.
    In the 1890’s Mrs. Gelstin of Shore road, with a capital of faith and 5 dollars, donated a collection of books to open the Fort Hamilton Free Library…
    Simple roots!
    In 1901 it became a branch of the Brooklyn Public Library, and in 1905 with a 1.6 million dollar gift from philanthropist Andrew Carnegie, moves to its present building. The Fort Hamilton Library became one of Brooklyn’s first Carnegie Libraries.
    Carnegie is probably best known for Carnegie Hall, one of the most prestigious venues in the world of music…
    Rhapsodic mans soil!
    -Or gaze north toward the isle of B…
    Gazing south (again, reversed) is Bedloe’s Island, renamed Liberty Island in 1956.
    In the Travel/ Discovery Chanel episode, Preiss’s daughters were asked:”Is there any doubt in your mind that one of the boxes are here (NYC)?” They replied: “So he did say in a very fatherly way”: “Where would daddy bury a treasure?”…
    Hard word…
    3 vols…
    Branch…
    Library!
    3 vols are Fort Hamilton to Fort Hamilton Triangle to Fort Hamilton Library!
    Perhaps the lion’s face on the woman’s robe in the image is a nod to Patience and Fortitude, the twin lions outside the New York Public Library and NYC mascots(thanks Gail).
    So, V marks the spot!

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  2. From Baker square looking north to the isle of b. Here’s how it started out: Mr. Priess got off the ferry walked up to corner of stuyvesant &bay(pic)=26 bay st…walked to statue of clarence t barrett(pic) has the lion image&hand match of statue saw the library ,heard the a/c walked up the v and found BAKER SQUARE. Ironically he buried the casque by tree in park.

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    1. The ferry docks at St George in S.I. St George image in foam also ties in with 1st puzzle of dragon in gown.I think Mr. Priess wanted us to walk the puzzle as well as think the puzzle through so if you get off ferry you see the doorway image in painting is identical as well as cars abound walk a little more you find man of hard=statue words of 3
      “in honor of” vols the library holds volumes of books .now I’m close. arm extended the statue with the image @ base -just like painting – getting close I can see all these images here am I wrong??

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  3. Hey Christian. Not following much of what you’re saying. Also, those spots have already been looked at. You should look at the puzzle as more of a puzzle and less of a scavenger hunt. The lines in the verse are not necessarily to be taken at face value. Also, based on the Japanese clues, chicken is a hint. Chicken is meant to be word play according to the translation. The common sequence found from the word play is Charles Dickens. How does that fit into your theory?

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    1. If going by the 2 casques that were successfully found, the search seems to be a “walking”puzzle.the Chicago find had definitely a scavenger hunt feel.they had to piece together verse & on-site clues.I think Mr. Priess wanted it that way but also added historical significance to his story.

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    2. The archway is important the horizontal brick&beige panels in the painting match the facade of 2 Bay St.(although vertical on bldg).Now look up,there’s the clock.From this vantage point look down and see simple roots.I believe Mr.Priess wanted us to look down “the hill”not @ground or gaze north to isle of b

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  4. 360*BARRETT Triangle in S.I &you’ll see the door arch,slender arm,also the image in the gown of lion is on pedestal base I’m going up in July if you want to get in on the dig #386 868-9925

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  5. Google 26 Bay st staten island the arch behind the lady is …. shut the front door!!! Also the safety gate on one of the doors must’ve been closed at the time also the hand on the statue in the park(right)looks just like the left hand of the lady!!

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  6. The extended arm of statue in barrett triangle in S.I. “narrow path ” is bay street the Russian immigrant theme connection is Red Square in USSR=Bakers Square in US of A.the casque is buried in bakers square greenspace Staten Island

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  7. The verse. natives speak of man of Hard words of 3 Vols. Notice the spacing? It is a statue honoring WWII staten island native /”in honor of” /words of 3 right? also vols =books=library the statue is across the street from the S.I. library

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  8. Quest 4 treasure was a
    pain to join .right? The casque is in staten island I think rhapsodic soil I believe is WAGNER college
    German composer- Hamilton st. Runs through S.I. “cars abound “

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    1. I think Mr. Priess on his last casque burial he would have taken a ferry/boat like the immigrants did ,got off “the boat” @St.george docks,keeping with the connection to the dragon from 1st puzzle,walked up the street and found his spot. In the episode of Ex.Unknown all the visual images can be seen from the burial spot.

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  9. Hey Linda, I’d like to be 100% forward with you so that you can understand some of the other commenters on here. You’re hitting almost every single pet peeve that everyone has when it comes to “new” people and this puzzle.

    First, “I know exactly where it is”. This has been said about a trillion times. No you don’t because you don’t have the casque. Maybe phrase it this way, “I have an idea as to where it could be.” This will come across a bit less cocky and won’t rub people the wrong way immediately.

    Second, you’re painting a picture as if you were there when Byron buried the casque. It just comes across as a bit absent minded. Too dramatic. Just tell us the details without all of the flare. It’s just too much. It makes you seem like you know everything when you don’t.

    Third, everyone is fine with having new theories brought about, but you haven’t done enough research yet to know that your theory has already been mentioned before. Make sure you get into the right forums and read everything that has been discussed already before you tell us “I know exactly where it is”.

    Fourth, telling us that you’ve been working on the puzzle for a mere “few weeks” and that it’s so “simple”. This just makes everyone else feel like you are being patronizing. Great minds and wonderful people have been working on this for a long time. It’s insulting to say that it’s simple when it’s not.

    Fifth, please don’t tell us how you’ve been solving puzzles for 50 years. To be honest, everyone here has. It doesn’t make you any more qualified to find the casque. If you do, wonderful! I wish you the best of luck, sincerely. I hope you find it.

    Sixth, “I know where the other puzzles are too”. This has been said like a trillion times as well. It’s just starting to get cliche at this point.

    I could go on for awhile. I’m not saying this to insult you or make you feel bad. I just want you to know how you are coming across to this community. This is why people will not willfully listen to you. You come across as patronizing and a “know it all”. Tone it down a bit and come at this from an angle of respecting what progress has already been made and backing up all of your “evidence” with less dramatic movie-esque scenery. Also, considering the place has already been considered and looked at, you may want to look into some other forums for more information. Try the Quest 4 Treasure forum. It requires access to be granted, but I think you’ll find a lot of useful information in threre.

    TLDR; You don’t think the people who have been staring at this particular verse already know of the exact spot that you are talking about? They do. They’ve been there. Stared at all the same things you’re describing. Nothing came of it. I think some self reflection on how you come across would be helpful if you want people to listen to you and take you seriously. Just some advice.

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    1. Flex you have made some good points. It’s important to be aware of the rest of the community and how your words or even the confidence in your own theory can be interpreted negatively. Let’s all try to be civil here. This should be a place for polite, intellectual debates.

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    2. Hi Flex, thank you for the post. I admit to being provocative and writing the story, because I was very frustrated by getting absolutely no response at all. Self serving I know.

      I do apologize if I offended anyone, but at least someone actually replied. So, I am very pleased even if some have been a bit abrupt.

      Just because I am new to your list does not mean I am new to riddles. I am very, very, good at these things, so I do believe I am right, but that is just my opinion.

      I can see there are plenty of other opinions out there. My problem with them is that the parks in these theories are very singular, whereas Prospect Park has the Library, Museum, Botanical Garden, Zoo, etc. all in one park in the author’s home town. I find it difficult to believe he would not have included it in his ‘must see’ parks. If I weren’t a 1000 miles away I’d go see it.

      According to an interview I saw with the artist, the goal was to lead people to appreciate their parks, so I believe he would have used interesting parks full of things to see if that was truly his intent.

      Did you know (according to the artist) Byron was surprised that people did not find them right away, he did not think he made them very difficult.

      When summer is over and the grandchildren are back in school I will look at the others. I think the young lady in San Francisco is probably right, but did not dissect it. That is another very interesting park.

      As far as figuring out Montreal… I actually looked at it to see if figuring out the first one was a ‘one off’. And it literally jumped out at me, I can’t help it if my mind is on the same wave length or something. I started checking the verbal clues and they matched as well.

      If you want to go get the Montreal box let me know, because that one should be easily retrievable, permission should not be an issue if you can speak French and are properly respectful. It is west of a white stone monument.

      It is again a single park containing all of the clues, and the picture matches the clues perfectly and even explains the checkerboard design elements and the fingers, the fingers are great.

      Anyway, enjoy your puzzling, thank you for trying to save me from myself, it was kindly done. Though as I said I knew I was pushing some buttons in hopes of getting any response at all, and I am now having a great time defending my theory.

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    3. Hey again. I have another question for you. If Prospect Park really was considered and discarded, can anyone tell me why?

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  10. Her Theories are incorrect..
    Sound good but
    I contacted the location last year and I won’t say we’re it is untill someone is also correct..
    And as I my say..Their is more to doing the “research” not just about pictures or the words in the verse or what people post..if she said something more on the “educational” reasoning side ..then we should listen. because it acually should lead someone directly to the dig spot..I’ll get their eventually but can’t say anymore.
    That’s why it is called “The secret”.

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    1. See above. I posted my entire ‘proof’ less the pictures to Edward Weibe, I would welcome your comments.

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    2. well his mother and my mother were both mothers so…. I have a strong feeling it will be found within this year. By whom…. maybe one of you all.

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      1. LOL, love the Mother thing.

        You said that you went on an unsuccessful dig. Care to say where just for fun.

        Even though I still think I am correct and the box will not be found. I am having a really good time checking out all of the parks that others are suggesting and learning all sorts of things about NY.

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  11. Oh! forgot to say. The Isle of B. is Manhattan the Isle of “Broadway”, the most famous B. in New York. Everyone thought he was being obscure

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    1. That’s a fantastic theory and I love how you accounted for everything in the image and the verse. Most of the theories I’ve seen are incomplete or omit certain imagery. Where would you have put shovel to ground there? I noticed the memorial they have in place of the Guider Monument is surrounded by concrete. Are you thinking that’s new from when they moved it?

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        1. thats very much appreciated. So where is X marks the spot based on all this? With shovel in hand, where do I dig? The originator made it such that we’d know where to dig.

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          1. It is now under the paver stones that surround Dr. McNair’s monument. I would not dig it up. I think they might take umbrage.

            The historical information I looked up indicated that originally the Joseph A. Guider monument was in the center of the V shaped park area.

            I believe Byron said “look down” to the simple roots to indicate the birth date and added the line saying “or gaze north” to make sure you were standing to the left of center in front of the birth date and could see beyond the monument. Gaze usually indicates a more distant view, as opposed to just look in these riddles.

            That would pin it down to about a 2 foot square area…. if you knew precisely where the Guider monument originally stood.

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      1. I actually went to another State and swore I knew where it was, pin point, spot on. Nope. I had trust in the people that allowed me to dig there as a post 9/11 thing, to be careful etc., but nope I thought I knew where it was and even my current theories with family, we have changed our dig point (without digging yet) about 8 times now. Just sayin. The real test will be when someone posts pics of the find. THEN and only then, did you deduce correctly.

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    2. Can you explain the logistics of gazing north toward Broadway from way out in Brooklyn? And can you find significance in the capital H?

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        1. If you mean the cherry trees, Prospect park actually has an interactive tree species map. Check it out, cherry trees on the peninsula and Duck island. As far as the other flowers, the botanical garden has a myriad of species.

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      1. Can’t remember if I answered this anywhere. It was to place you to the left of the center of the monument in front of the birth date and still able to see past the monument when you gaze north.

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        1. They are referring to the verse that reads, “The natives still speak
          Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”

          The “H” in hard is capitalized.

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          1. Oh!!! The H is capitalized to emphasize the fact that they are Hard, because they are carved in stone, and they will be remembered both via the monument and in three different volumes of public records.

            As far as a visual reference in the picture, I will go back and re-examine it for any reference (tonight after the twin’s go home for the day), but the directions were so specific that the inclusion of more info was not really necessary.

            Pick away and welcome.

            Just because I found it quickly doesn’t mean I was not thorough in trying to prove/disprove it once I identified the most likely park. I did not even post anything until I had all the references identified..

            .and I still have all my toys from being a DBA for 1000+ users and 150+ servers, so it does give me an edge research and organization wise.

            What I want to know is who figured out which verse went with which picture? That was the hard part as far as I am concerned.

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          2. Although your logic is compelling, I find it hard to believe it wouldn’t be in Manhattan. Many people don’t even think of the other boroughs as NYC. Bowling Green is as V shaped as you can get, and it is on “B”roadway! I think you may have overthunk it.

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          3. Jane,
            Sorry to take so long, life got in the way of responses.

            Since Byron was born in Brooklyn, I find it hard to believe he would have shared your bias.

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          4. Jane, to go even further with it, Bowling Green is also on the island of Broadway. Isles of B. The area where the bull sits and creates the “V” is the start of the island. I’d find it very hard to believe if the casque isn’t in Bowling Green Park. No one has dug there that I know of. I have old pictures of it that I was given by the parks and rec dep, but I wasn’t able to see anything that would give away all of the clues. But, most, if not all of the imagery in the painting can be scene from standing in that park. I just don’t have an X to dig. The park has been redone multiple times since the casque was buried.

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          5. You are certainly free to believe that if you wish. I am sure everyone would love to see your proof identifying each item in the picture. I know I would.

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          6. Okay, there are a couple odd things in the picture. But first I went back and looked at the pictures for the solved ones and yes I can see why they were solved. The Cleveland one was really just pushing it at you. The Chicago one was buried out in an open area, so they had to give you a specific reference point.

            As far as image 12 goes, the instructions are very precise and lead you to a specific place without needing to measure or count from another physical specifically defined item.

            I do think it is interesting that the bottom portion of the scarf on the dress that is lighter than the rest of the dress and looks like an upward pointing V, is oddly similar to the shape of the V shaped park area on a picture regressed to 1994 in google earth pro. The front of the museum was also very different back then.

            I think the arch itself is very interesting as well. Notice that it is enclosed by a single line, but down at the bottom there is a second line that is not really attached, sort of like a road cutting through the park. What I find interesting is the fact that everything enclosed within the arch is seen on the east side of Flatbush.

            Isn’t that interesting?

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    3. Personally I think it’s hard to believe he referred to Broadway. Broadway is not an island. And while I think Broadway is a major part of Manhattan, it is by no means the only prominent “B” in New York City. I would also say it is not the most famous B in New York. Brooklyn, Bedloe Island, Battery, and so on. There are plenty of other options.

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      1. Notice he said the isle of B, not B island. Syntax counts in these things and think of all of the songs and movies that are called the ‘something’ of Broadway, plus it is another tie to Gershwin’s music.

        Like I said show me another park that has it all.

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  12. I know exactly where it was buried. Can’t get anyone to listen. All my documentation ignored. So, i decided to publish this in as many places as i can find on the web to get someone to listen.

    Byron Preiss – The Secret –
    Solution to Image 12 / Verse 10

    That spring day when Byron Preiss set out toward his chosen park, he stopped midblock, got out of his car and snapped a picture of the flat, stone, end wall of the multi-storied building, with its single unadorned, monolithic rectangular notch to accommodate door and windows. (click)

    Continuing down the block, past the immense gray building, he crossed the avenue and turned right. Halfway to the first intersecting street he turned left on the bicycle path into a small three sided park area and walked 50 to 60 feet to the center of the long V formed by the avenue and another street on two sides of the park.

    Turning left he was standing in front of a large stone monument. On it were recorded the three major contributions of this individual to his city. Words carved in hard stone. Below this on the left hand side was simply his date of birth. Shifting his gaze slightly to the left he was looking up the avenue directly toward the Isle of B. (click)

    Smiling, he re-crossed the avenue and continued on into the larger portion of the park where he encountered row upon row of flower beds in all their varied colors, (click) their round faces and darker centers abounding and a lovely small lake beyond. (click) To his left he saw the three turrets of one of the park buildings silhouetted against the late morning sun. (click)

    As he kept walking along the path he came to another street running through the park. While waiting to cross he heard a clock striking the hour and glancing to his left saw the two story clock tower a half block away. (click)

    Crossing the street and going further along the path he passed an immense skating rink, (click) quiet now with spring. Rounding the corner of the park he walked along the edge of a large body of water and looking back across the water he saw the cherry trees in bloom on both the peninsula and the island in the lake, beyond them he could still see the location of that rink of glacial proportions, the trees on the shore to the right of the island were not cherry trees, but green and lovely in their own way. (click)

    Continuing on he came to the next corner where the street sign reminded him of those who came before and where they were born. (click) Rounding this corner he came to one of the favored sites in the park with a view of the Statue of Liberty in the distance. (click)

    He continued past a third body of water (click) to the final corner of the park where he saw stone eagles surrounding a stone column, the mass of the column blocking the curve of the memorial arch beyond it. (click)

    Turning right he returned to his car, retrieved the box, walked back to the V shaped park, which was now being shaded by the immense gray building, counted his steps to the monument in the center and buried the box at the base of the monument below the date of birth. The man’s simple roots in this specific place.

    The monument was moved more than 25 years ago, and the treasure site is no longer accessible.

    It is Prospect Park in Brooklyn, the Joseph A. Guider Monument, the bottom of the dress looks like the south end of the park, the head and arms are the Grand army circle, the western border and Flatbush Ave., three drops of water are, the Japanese Garden pond, Prospect Park Lake and what is now the dog beach. The clock tower is at 495 Flatbush., the east end of the brooklyn library is the ‘tower’ picture, the Brooklyn Museum is the grey giant. You can see the statue of liberty from the Litchfield Villa. I do love the Glacier representing the old skating rink, it was very large.

    Do I have to go on, will someone finally listen to me.

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      1. Well, I next day mailed hard copy to his widow, with all of the pictures and proof. The artist will know what he painted.

        My brain must be warped, the Montreal one was fun too and still retrievable, wish those guys at PBworks would let me in to help. I have emailed the owner multiple times…no response. I wish I had seen this book years ago, I have one of those brains that doesn’t shut down. Happily the grandchildren are now here for the summer to save me from boredom.

        I’ll keep you posted on any reply from his widow.

        Thank you for publishing this on-line, where someone might see it. I don’t care about the jewels, but it is more fun to figure things out, if you have someone to tell who actually cares and I have no web presence.

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        1. I hope you get a reply this time. That sounds exciting. I totally agree that the fun is all about figuring it out. Let me know if you get a response 🙂

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          1. Will do, but the evidence is rather overwhelming. You do realize the picture IDs the park, the verse the location, right?

            Well here is a sample of my proof. Print a copy of the picture. Fold it where the skirt starts to go straight up, place that fold at the midpoint of the hands, hold it beside an aerial photo of the park and you will see the outline of the park itself. It was staring everyone in the face. I have been solving combination puzzles like this since I was a child. I can’t believe I never even heard of this book until 2 weeks ago, such fun!

            I know where the Montreal one is too, but I don’t want to be greedy, I am trying to get the PBworks guys to let me in, so that I can help them retrieve it. Teams are way more fun.

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    1. Question. You said that it was Byron’s date of birth, but he was born on April 11, 1953. Nowhere on the monument is there that date. Also, what do you mean the monument was moved? Hasn’t it always been there, because on nycgovparks.org it never says the monument changed location?

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      1. It is not Byron’s monument. It was the Joseph A. Guider Monument. A true civil servant. He was a member of the Assembly of the State of NY, Commissioner of Public Works, and President of the Borough of Brooklyn. Thus remembered in three different volumes of Public records and as I said they are hard words because they are carved in stone.

        In 1986 after the shuttle exploded with the entire country watching, they moved the Guider monument to the south end of the park, created a very large paver stone circle in the original location and placed a monument to astronaut Dr. Ronald McNair in the center. In the center of the V shaped park area, on the east side of the Brooklyn Museum. It is in the museum’s shadow every afternoon.

        Wish I could send you all my PDF proof, but if you google Joseph A. Guider, there are very good images of the monument that you can zoom in on and see the date in the lower left hand side.

        It would have been facing south. (They typically did that so that the sun kept moss/mold/whatever from growing on the face of the monument.) So, as you were standing in front of the birth date if you shifted your gaze slightly to your left you would be gazing directly up Washington Ave. toward Broadway ‘The Great White Way’.

        I am sure the artist could confirm his imagery, but he and Byron’s widow may be so tired of this that they will not bother to answer. In which case I am not going to harass them.

        If you take the virtual walking tour of the park, there is a point right in front of the main botanical garden building, where you can tilt the camera up and you will see that the turret/copula in the center is a dead ringer for the one in the picture. and there are only three of them in the picture, which also matches. And the clock tower at 495 Flatbush is a square faced clock, The openings on the library match what people think are a tower, etc., etc., etc. It is all there, every single reference in picture and verse.

        I do wish I knew someone close to Montreal who could go pick up that box, but so far no response from the PBworks group. They may still be getting inundated by email since that show (I think the guys name is Gates) re-aired a couple of weeks ago. I can hardly complain, since that is where I first heard of the book when I was flipping through channels.

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        1. I’d like to pick your brain a bit because I like what you’ve posted so far about everything – the two puzzles that were solved had direct references to exactly where the boxes were buried in the picture. One had the fence post and the other had the back of the statue/monument it was buried behind. I’ve looked at the Guider monument but don’t see the reference to it visually in the picture. Any thoughts?

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          1. I just had another thought about this. I think you would have to be careful not to make them all the same. Otherwise, after the first couple were found the rest would be snapped up. I wonder if there are any others that form the outline of a park when they are folded? There is also something going on with his use of that blue highlighting of certain lines. Still thinking about that.

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      2. we all have our theories. Theories are proven by results. Go dig the thing up if you know where it is, else is just another of thousands of theories.

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        1. Well, as has been stated there are many theories, I am sure the artist could confirm his imagery. You are free to believe what you want, however I have been solving combination puzzles like this for more than 50 years.

          The wise musician studies the composer as well as the music. He was trying to get people to visit parks that have a lot to offer and he wanted you to appreciate the entire park. Thus the walking tour. Byron was also born in Brooklyn.

          I would be very interested in hearing of another park that matches all of the clues in both the picture and verse. Here is the text only of my proof for anyone who cares. to partake. You can regress Google Earth Pro if you want to see the huge old (pre-2011)skating rink.

          I mean this to be enjoyed, so no squabbling.

          I have to go take care of my 7 yr old twin grandsons now. So lack of reply does not indicate lack of interest, simply exhaustion. 🙂

          ———————————————————————————————————

          In the shadow
          Of the grey giant

          The Brooklyn Museum. It literally shades the treasure spot in the afternoon.

          Find the arm that
          Extends over the slender path

          The light and crosswalk across Washington Ave. to the park area.

          In summer
          You’ll often hear a whirring sound

          Bicycles in the park.

          Cars abound

          Surrounded on all sides by streets with more than one running through the park.

          Although the sign Nearby
          Speaks of Indies native

          Fort Hamilton Pkwy ends at the southwest corner of the park. The botanical garden in the park may also have plants from the Indies.

          The natives still speak
          Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.

          The monument gives Joseph A. Guider’s three major contributions to the city of New York. Three Vols. of Hard words indeed, literally carved in stone. They would have been recorded in three different volumes of city records.

          Take twice as many east steps as the hour (the hour on the clock in the picture is 11)
          Or more
          From the middle of one branch
          Of the v
          The monument was originally located in the center of the V shaped park area at the extreme north east corner of Prospect Park, arrived at via a pathway that intersected the sidewalk half way down the western side of the V formed by the intersecting street. Depending on the length of your stride it would have been 22 steps or more to the east of Washington Ave., to get to the center of the V formed by Washington and Classon.

          Look down
          And see simple roots
          In rhapsodic man’s soil
          On the lower left hand side of the monument below his contributions, it simply states Guiders date of birth, his simple roots in Brooklyn. Gershwin, from Brooklyn wrote Rhapsody in Blue, pinning it down to Brooklyn.

          Or gaze north
          Toward the isle of B

          The most famous B in New York, which is Broadway. If you look North from the original monument site you are looking up Washington Ave. toward Manhattan. I believe the monument was originally facing south (most were so that they would face the sun) you would be facing north and able to see past the monument as you stood in front of the birth date.
          Other Notes:

          • I believe that it was buried at the foot of the Joseph A. Guider monument directly below the date of birth. However, in 1986 after the Challenger tragedy this was renamed the Dr. Ronald McNair Park. Guiders monument was moved to the south end of the Park. It is my understanding that the entire area where it originally stood was covered over with a large round circle of paver stones and Dr. McNair’s monument was located at its center. Thus, I believe the exact original location is truly lost.
          Picture references below picture:

          • His daughters said he told them, “You should be able to see everything in the picture from within the park.”
          • The tall rectangular ‘tower’ looks like one of the openings on the Brooklyn Library, probably the east end of the north wing of the building since it seems to go all the way to the ground and is a solitary opening.
          • Prospect Park contains a Botanical Garden building with three turrets , as well as the flowers beds, represented as double circles within the enclosed arched area in the painting, that is why they are different colors and the circles in the picture have different colored centers just like flowers. Also the flower she is holding is a chrysanthemum, which has long been associated with Japanese Gardens.
          • The two story square clock tower is at 495 Flatbush Ave. a half block from the park and clearly visible.
          • There were 3 lakes in Prospect park in 1982, one in the Japanese Garden, Prospect Park Lake and what is now the Dog Beach, for the 3 water droplets in the picture. Note: A new water feature was added in 2015 in the botanical Garden.
          • The white frothy ‘waves’ at the bottom represent the cherry trees in the park. The ‘lion’ looks very much like the outline of the peninsula in Prospect Park Lake when viewed on a map or in an aerial picture or postcard (popular at the time). Duck Island would be the other frothy bit. They would also appear in this perspective if viewed from the southwest across the lake while in bloom, both have black cherry trees on them.
          • The white ‘water’ behind the frothy ‘waves/trees’ looks like a glacier. A huge skating rink (removed in 2011) was located on the far shore east of the peninsula and Duck Island. The perspective appears correct.
          • On a clear day you can see the Statue of liberty (the woman’s face) from the Litchfield Villa in Prospect Park, one of its highlights. The real one not the replica behind the Brooklyn Museum, that was installed in 2006 I believe.
          • The Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Arch is at the north end of Prospect Park in the Grand Army Plaza, 4 stone columns facing the arch have eagles on top and surrounding the lower portion. If approached from the south, between the wings of the lower ones you would see the stone of the column not the curve of the arch.
          • The bottom of the dress strongly resembles the outline of the roads/paths at the southern end of Prospect park.
          • The head and arms echo the shape of the Grand Army Plaza, Prospect Park West and Flatbush Ave.

          That’s it, pretty simple.

          I trust no one will try to dig up Dr. McNair’s monument. That would not be cool at all.

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  13. My solve also led me to the East Coast Memorial. I’m not sure Cheech mentioned this above but the tip of the eagles wing is a match for the bottom of the dress. 22 steps also ties in with JFK who dedicated the memorial in the 60s. She offers her flower to the sea…as they lost their lives at sea. Her finger essentially points at the memorial.

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      1. If you interpret rhapsodic in terms of music. Most people in NYC really only know his name because of the clock in Central Park. It’s WAY too coincidental that he also donated money to the reconstruction of Bowling Green and how literally everything else points to that exact spot. Problem is that the squares in the arch of the picture refer to blue stone sidewalks which were placed in a very specific way, but were replaced in 2004. Unless we can find pictures of the park from prior to that year (good luck) I don’t know how else to pinpoint a different spot.

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        1. It’s a possibility. I’ve considered Bowling Green as a possible place. But rhapsody refers to music of an irregular structure, often improvised. So it doesn’t seem very rhapsodic when music is literally played like clockwork

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          1. Perhaps it is. But I think that’s a very specific and very rarely used word. There are lots of other words he could’ve used if he just meant musical

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          2. In all honesty it’s really not even just that clue that brings me to that spot, it just fits in with everything else. That’s the only reason I’m really going with it! It basically ties everything together for me. Standing in a general spot, I can see everything in the painting.

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          3. It’s difficult to avoid overreading riddles or filling in the gaps to fit our own assumptions. But I agree that Bowling Greens is a good spot. I doubt we can dig there, though haha

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    1. The church is similar to the spires on Ellis Island. The 11 is 11 Beaver Street where the sewer is that was pointed out on the Google map.

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          1. My theory only works when all the clues,both visual & literal,come together. The verse- from the middleof the small branch of the v its not a tree or a library, it’s a bank.The small branch,not the main branch, of the Victory bank.also on a corner of Bay st thus the v. Who knows until it’s recovered.

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  14. The eagle
    The clock is on 11 and the Chrysler building was the tallest building for 11 months
    In the sky race all the buildings have that top that u see in D.4,5

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  15. Although the sign

    Nearby

    Speaks of Indies native

    Find a sign that have to do with native Indians or the east india company….

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  16. In summer

    You’ll often hear a whirring sound

    Cars abound.

    I also found out that Brooklyn bridge made a funny noise that could be heard driving on the bridge and up under the bridge until they fix it

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  17. In the shadow

    Of the grey giant

    (Behind the statue of liberty)

    Find the arm that

    Extends over the slender path
    ( East River is slender than Hudson River) and Brooklyn bridge extends over the slender path

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  18. I believe it’s in Battery Park too. And I believe I know exactly where. Look at the birds legs. It’s a tree – a small tree with a very specific shape. There is a tree near Castle Clinton that looks just like it. In 1981, the walkway in front of Castle Clinton was a V. There was was another walkway in the middle that connected the 2. That is the branch. Walk 22 steps east from the middle and you get to the line of trees. In that line of trees (that are still there), the tree that I’m speaking of is also still there. If you look at the shape above the statue for this verse, it is Castle Clinton. The blue circles, I believe, represent the aquarium that was once there. In that spot, at the right time of day, one of the towers of the WTC would have caused a shadow. The whirring noise is from the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, or possibly helicopter tours (there are 2 pads in that area), or from the many boats that are out during the summer months. The long arm is the flag pole that is still at the base of where the V was, and is opposite the Alexander Hamilton U.S. Customers Office. At this location you are at the southern most point of NYC. If you turn north to see the Isle of B, you are looking at North Brother Island in NYC near the Bronx. Castle Clinton was built on a man-made island. It was filled in later, so much of Battery Park is man-made. Rhapsodic, to me, represents music. This area has been used throughout history as an amphitheater, opera house, and many concerts have taken place here from the 1980s on. If you use Google Map, and put yourself in Battery Park in front of Castle Clinton, and then go down the east walkway towards the flagpole, you will see the small tree I am speaking of. You can’t dig there. So I don’t know how anyone will ever find it. But the tree matches the eagle’s legs.

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      1. Hello, Alayden! Have you had a chance to check out the possible site in Battery Park yet? Could you confirm which direction the shadows fall at 11? Would the Towers cast a shadow over that section of Battery Park in the “Summer” (like the Verse mentions)? Or are we looking for a different “grey giant”? Thanks!

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    1. Hi, Lorri! You have an interesting theory. I believe you are in the same area my research has led me, but I can’t seem to find the exact tree you are identifying on Google Maps. Is it near the Jerusalem Grove? Can you see the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island from the spot? Is the flag pole you are referencing the Marine Flagstaff or the Netherland Monument? You also made reference to the shadow being cast by the Towers at the “right time of day.” Could that time possibly be 11 AM? That’s the time on the clock in the Image. I think we’re getting closer to solving this!

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  19. I initially thought the Immigrants statue was key to solving this. It was commissioned by Samuel Rudin, who wanted it placed by Castle Clinton to honor his parents (who emigrated to the US when the Castle was the processing center for immigrants before Ellis Island). I believe George Gershwin to be the “rhapsodical man” in the Verse and that his parents emigrated through Castle Clinton as well, strengthening the connection. And I also believe the “man” in the waves in Image 12 bears a strong resemblance to the “immigrant” with the outstretched hand. However, I have been unable to find out when the statue was actually placed in the Park. All I know is that it was cast in 1973 and dedicated on May 4, 1983. Preiss had to be there almost 2 years before then. Is it possible that it was in the Park two years before it was officially dedicated?

    By the way, if you look at an aerial view of the Park, the Castle’s half-circle shape is similar to the “window-pane” shape at the top of the image.

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  20. Where is the Verrazano statue? The Immigrants statue was ‘dedicated’ in may 1983. At that point all the finish work and concrete walks were in place. I could never find the actual installation date. If it is indeed the arm over the slender path clue, my guess is it was there prior to the official dedication with a foot path under the arm .

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    1. Scott, you got me to look at the Immigrants statue and image 12 again. Pehaps a coincidence, but Lady Libertys left arm is the reverse of the arm on the immigrants statue. With Preiss and Palencar ‘one never knows’.

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  21. Hello! I think you are on to something, but The Immigrants statue, although sculpted in 1973, was not placed in the Park until 1983. Byron Preiss buried the casque earlier than that, probably in 1981 or 1982. I’m curious as to where the Giovanni da Verrazzano statue was positioned in 1981. Could he be the “grey giant”?

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  22. Great thought, never considered it. Bowling Green park where the bull is located is actually an island within roads itself, and it starts with a B just like flanking ‘B’roadway . The bull itself may post date the hunt. Its funny, neither that location (BG park), or Castle Clinton is truly N of my proposed site. Perhaps the direction is general, as the park is not in the litteral shadow of the former #2 WTC.

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  23. Thanks for uploading that picture Andrew. Yes, I feel 22 east steps from the rear of the memorial is the place the box was buried in the early eighties. If you start at the middle of the branch of the eagles wing or the wreath it perches upon, the steps will be more.

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    1. I believe the grey giant is severely misinterpreted. I went to the same high school as the author and have explored all of the places he alluded to in my youth. I am going on a dig next week. I will post when I finish.

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